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Examining Dare 2 Share’s Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis: Part 3

By Matt · Comments (2)
Wednesday, May 21st, 2008

Previous Posts:

  • Introductory Thoughts
  • Part 1
  • Part 2

2. Deep and Wide Youth Ministry means pushing our teens to grow deeper spiritually (pages 5-8)

First of all, I seldom use the word spiritual. I know what D2S means when they say spiritual: they pretty much mean things that are distinctly Christian. But spiritual seems to me to get too easily twisted into a Gnostic, dualistic understanding of Christian maturity that is overly concerned with the metaphysical. I think our ministries need less metaphysics and more concrete action. This is one of the areas that Bonhoeffer has affected me greatly.

From Apathy to Interest

D2S asserts that the Bible links obedience to the Word of God to spiritual growth (5). Yes! Growth is not studying the Bible; growth is living the Bible. Of course, you must study the Bible in order to live it, but many ministries have, in my opinion, equated study with Christian maturity. I’m glad D2S makes the distinction between the two.

From Interest to Excitement

As teens grow in obedience, they will begin to form a theological framework “on which their belief systems will be built on for the rest of their lives” (6). This is again a foundationalist argument that leaves open the very likely scenario that a change in one of the beliefs will bring the whole structure tumbling down. I think part of the reason so many people walk away from Christianity in college is because they have been taught so many things are foundational to Christianity that if one of those things gets debunked, they throw it all out. I think we must move away from unnecessarily making things that are mere opinion into dogma. Are certain things dogmatic? Absolutely. But we should teach those things wisely, selectively and not haphazardly.

A personal pet peeve of mine happens on page 6 when the Thesis is talking about how the Trinity impacts a teenager’s life: “The reality that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit dwell inside every believer (John 14) and that the Trinity invites every Christian into the secret fellowship and intimacy among its members should greatly encourage believing teenagers that they are not alone. As a matter of fact they are being invited into the ‘clique” of the most popular circle of friends in the universe!” I call statements like this a tritism. I don’t think it’s a real word, but that’s okay. It is just a statement that is trite. Usually they are theologically inaccurate and simultaneously underwhelming. To compare the Trinity to a high school clique isn’t exactly the historic articulation of the doctrine of the Trinity (see, I’m not scared of doctrine). Secondly, to even compare one’s relationship with God to like being in the super-coolest-clique-in-the-universe is just a stretch. It trivializes the thing in which it is trying to emphasize. So, yeah, that’s a pet peeve of mine.

Teaching Them to Obey Everything I have Commanded You

Most stuff here checks out. We study theology to live it. Amen

The 30 core questions on page 7 are good things to discuss, and I’m sure D2S would agree with this, but I don’t think they all require dogmatic answers. But they are great discussion starters.

From Excitement to Passion

This is one of the hardest things to do: get teenagers to own their faith to the extent that they can continue to grow and mature by themselves. Anyone who knows me knows I am not close to an individualist when it comes to Christianity, but when a person is 100% reliant upon someone else to grow the natural result is to become a Christian consumer. We do need to coach them to be able to do some of the training on their own. Good thoughts here.

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Examining Dare 2 Share’s Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis: Part 2

By Matt · Comments (11)
Thursday, May 15th, 2008

Previous Posts:
• Introductory thoughts
• Part 1

1. What Deep and Wide Youth Ministry is Not (pages 3-4)

It is not just another approach to youth ministry

I found it interesting that the thesis tries to convince us that “Deep and Wide Youth Ministry is not a gimmick or a method” (3) and then goes on to use words like “X-factor” (gimmick) and argues the necessity of this particular approach to ministry (method). Okay, it’s not a “method” in the strictest sense of describing exactly what needs to be happening in your ministry, but DWYM is talked about as if it is a non-negotiable way to envision doing ministry. Maybe it isn’t a model, but it is an orienting paradigm for doing ministry (on the summary on page one it describes itself as a “model”). When it says it’s not just “another” approach, I get the feeling they are saying it is the approach.

It is not a simple approach to youth ministry

DWYM portrays itself as cutting “across the grain of the entrenched youth ministry philosophy” found in most churches, but I’m not so sure. Most youth ministers I talk to have moved well past the fun and games model of ministry and are trying to pursue something deeper. When most Christian colleges are offering bachelors degrees in youth ministry and many seminaries are offering masters and doctorates in youth ministry fields, we have moved past thinking of youth ministry as an entertainment-heavy endeavor.

In fact, I wonder if youth ministries that consider themselves to be doing a good job at evangelism might be the ones that are heavily-oriented towards entertainment models of ministry. That seems very plausible, but it’s really just conjecture.

At the very least, D2S is trying to articulate that doing youth ministry isn’t easy or simple. They didn’t just give the seven steps to DWYM and put their guarantee on the results, which I am thankful for.

It is not optional

I agree that following the Great Commission is not be optional, but that does not mean that DWYM is a non-negotiable. As I stated before, there are some foundational problems with the DWYM approach. I’m all for the Great Commission, but Jesus gave us the Great Commission, the rest of scripture, and himself, not DWYM.

More thoughts on DWYM to follow tomorrow, much of which I like!

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Examining Dare 2 Share’s Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis: Part 1

By Matt · Comments (8)
Wednesday, May 14th, 2008

Previous Posts:
• Introductory thoughts

Before I begin, I would like to applaud Dare 2 Share (D2S) for making their Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis available for free rather than turning it into a book or a training tour that you have to pay to get access to (and if they do decide to do either of those things, that’s fine as long as we can still have access to the free stuff). If there is anything in the world that should be open-source, it should be things related to Christian ministry. I hope youth ministers, churches, and other Christian organizations will follow this path and make their insights free to all.

If you really want to follow along with me, you should download and read the whole document. It’s only 34 pages long and divided into five sections. Spend about 10 minutes a day for the next five days reading a section and you will have it read. Without any further ado, here we go.

Page 2: Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Introduction

After giving a summary of the Thesis on page one, page two gives a one-page basis for the creation of this Deep and Wide approach to ministry (a prolegomena of sorts). The paper starts out by describing youth ministries has having a “false dichotomy” between evangelism and discipleship. In this point, we are in agreement. As I began to learn in Dr. Castleman’s class years ago there is no such thing as “discipleship and evangelism,” but there is only “discipleshipandevangelism.” The two are not separable; there is no dichotomy. To be an evangelizer, one must be a disciple; to be a disciple, one must also be an evangelizer. I see discipleship and evangelism as existing together in a continuous loop that feeds one another. Without both, the loop does not exist.

Once stated that there is a false dichotomy between discipleship and evangelism, the Thesis states that the way to keep discipleship and evangelism in “balance” is through the “Deep and Wide youth ministry model” (1). To me, words like balance reinforce the false dichotomy that the Thesis says it is trying to combat. To keep something in balance is to say that there are two things independent of one another (i.e. they are dichotomous) that have to be held in equality. If discipleship and evangelism do suffer from a false dichotomy, then they cannot be held in balance because they are not separate entities, but they are inseparable parts of the same whole. To take away one is to take away the other.

Moving on, the basis for the Thesis comes from the words of Jesus in the Great Commission, which gives me a moment of pause (but not because I am against the Great Commission!). To build an entire philosophy of ministry upon a single verse of scripture is something that just rubs me the wrong way. Of course, there is plenty more scripture found in the rest of the document to support other points, but Matthew 28:19 becomes foundational for ministry. As someone who is skeptical of reductionism and foundationalism, I have a hard time reducing the corpus of scripture to a single verse upon which everything in our communal life builds. Ministry is built upon a person, who is the Head of the Body, not an irreducible principle.

Bells started going off in my head when I read the opening statement in the next paragraph:

Effective youth ministries move teens deeper and wider in a concerted and strategic way.

I’m not convinced that it is our goal in ministry is to be effective. I’ve asserted before that youth ministry’s obsession with being successful could be the very thing that has led to its inability to produce lifelong faith in the lives of students. It has been my contention that our goal in ministry is not to be effective, but to be faithful. When considering methods that are “concerted and strategic,” I looked to the ministry of Jesus. While he was doubtlessly concerted (“take up your cross and follow me”), I’m not convinced he had anything remotely resembling a strategy for his ministry other than to do the will of the Father (For a humorous take on Jesus and strategy, see this post at the Faith and Theology blog. Warning: it contains some profanity). Such ministry “strategy” is rooted in cultural notions of efficiency, success, and results. I do believe in helping to move teenagers “past apathy or mere casual interest into a deep spiritual passion for the things of God,” but I’m not sure how strategic that process can be.

I will say more about the “X-factor” later.

As you can see, I share the goals and motivations of D2S to help erase the false dichotomy between discipleship and evangelism and to see people move from apathy to passion. These things we agree on. My contention with their approach seems to lie in epistemology as much as anything. As someone who rejects foundationalism (apart from the person of Jesus Christ), I find it hard to swallow any approach to ministry that tries to build upon an irreducible principle or direction.

Lastly, I’m pretty sure that our definitions of discipleship and evangelism are a bit different. On page 3 evangelism is defined as “sharing gospel truth with those that don’t know Jesus.” Again, my contention is that there is no such thing as a dichotomy between discipleship and evangelism. Thus, I take the stance that at all times we are evangelizing, the only question is what is it that we are evangelizing? I prefer to describe biblical evangelism as sharing the person of Jesus Christ, not the truth about Jesus Christ. Our goal is to be at all times to be sharers of Jesus. This includes verbally, communally, personally, and actively.

Tomorrow we will move on to the next part of the DWYM Thesis.

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Examining Dare 2 Share’s "Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis": Introductory Thoughts

By Matt · Comments (0)
Tuesday, May 13th, 2008

For some reason I took a keen interest in Tim Schmoyer’s post last week regarding the fairly new document produced by Dare 2 Share (D2S) called the “Deep and Wide Youth Ministry Thesis.” I thought I would post my thoughts on the document, but I was hesitant to make the posts for a few reasons:

  • Honestly, I’ve never been a fan of D2S, for various reasons. So, I was worried that I would be unnecessarily harsh and negative no matter what the document says.
  • I’m afraid that people who read my critique will think I am questioning the intentions of the good people at D2S. I seldom question people’s motives, unless they are just explicit con-artists. D2S is full of people trying to do the best they can for the kingdom. I applaud their motives. But, as I’ve posted before, I don’t believe that motivations mean a whole lot.
  • My own “success” in youth ministry has been quite limited according to popular definitions of youth ministry success, so what right do I have to critique a hugely successful organization like D2S? On the other hand, I believe that our definitions of success in youth ministry are terribly culturally-conditioned. So, no, I don’t have a youth group that is growing exponentially, aggressively getting rid of hunger in Dallas, or making progress towards racial reconciliation in our diverse community. But I also think that my own success in ministry (if there even is such a thing) will not be able to be judged until about 15-20 years down the road, so who knows how well I’m doing right now.

Because of that last bullet point, I decided that I’m going to make a series of posts over the next few days examining the Deep and Wide Thesis. I believe that the “little guy” like me should have the freedom to critique a large and (widely accepted as) successful organization like D2S.

Over the next few days, you will be able to see how I do some of my thinking in youth ministry. More specifically, I hope to show what it means to think theologically through youth ministry methods, strategies, and models. Please understand that I do come from a different place theologically than the people at D2S, so there will be some obvious conflicts simply because of that. But in providing my thoughts, I hope to show how it is possible to evaluate a popular (maybe even “hyped-up”) style of ministry that seems like a non-negotiable mandate for how to approach youth ministry.

The first post comes tomorrow morning.

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