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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Matt</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2012/01/26/reinventing-seminary-the-goal/#comment-21282</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, thanks for your insight. I may be emailing you about DTS soon. We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, thanks for your insight. I may be emailing you about DTS soon. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Josh</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2012/01/26/reinventing-seminary-the-goal/#comment-21252</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just changed my study focus at DTS to their newest MA program that focuses on Christian Leadership.  It&#039;s really encouraging to be a part of a program that&#039;s focusing purely on the Scriptures and Developing Leaders.  I&#039;ll agree that seminary is getting extremely expensive.  If I didn&#039;t receive some funding from church and scholarships I&#039;d be forced to choose between seminary or working at the church. In Dallas there is not a focus on developing leaders usually because the developed leaders end up getting &quot;Promoted&quot; to the Dallas area.  So I consider myself blessed to be learning and focusing on how to raise up leaders in the church and through the church.  Great blog post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just changed my study focus at DTS to their newest MA program that focuses on Christian Leadership.  It&#8217;s really encouraging to be a part of a program that&#8217;s focusing purely on the Scriptures and Developing Leaders.  I&#8217;ll agree that seminary is getting extremely expensive.  If I didn&#8217;t receive some funding from church and scholarships I&#8217;d be forced to choose between seminary or working at the church. In Dallas there is not a focus on developing leaders usually because the developed leaders end up getting &#8220;Promoted&#8221; to the Dallas area.  So I consider myself blessed to be learning and focusing on how to raise up leaders in the church and through the church.  Great blog post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Matt</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2012/01/26/reinventing-seminary-the-goal/#comment-21156</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think we are seeing a lot of that. Which is why I would expect that most seminaries that embrace the kind of approach I am hoping for will be new or young seminaries, and maybe they won&#039;t even call themselves &quot;seminaries.&quot; But, I&#039;m guessing that the established institutional seminaries won&#039;t change a whole lot. They might nibble at the edges, but things like accreditation, bureaucracy, and tradition will get in the way of wholesale change. Which is fine. Oldline churches will still need leaders until they die out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think we are seeing a lot of that. Which is why I would expect that most seminaries that embrace the kind of approach I am hoping for will be new or young seminaries, and maybe they won&#8217;t even call themselves &#8220;seminaries.&#8221; But, I&#8217;m guessing that the established institutional seminaries won&#8217;t change a whole lot. They might nibble at the edges, but things like accreditation, bureaucracy, and tradition will get in the way of wholesale change. Which is fine. Oldline churches will still need leaders until they die out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Tom Schwolert</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2012/01/26/reinventing-seminary-the-goal/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Schwolert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that most of the really great leaders aren&#039;t going to seminary, so seminaries aren&#039;t really pushed to be anything different. I have even seen where really strong leaders weren&#039;t allowed into seminaries because of some of their radical views. And then those that are allowed in, don&#039;t get in because because t0hey have great leadership qualities but because they have good church-speak but get out into the real world on the ground where churches are messy and they have no clue how to lead. So they just go along and keep things peaceful and the church gradually declines and then people cry out for leadership, etc., etc. It&#039;s a vicious circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that most of the really great leaders aren&#8217;t going to seminary, so seminaries aren&#8217;t really pushed to be anything different. I have even seen where really strong leaders weren&#8217;t allowed into seminaries because of some of their radical views. And then those that are allowed in, don&#8217;t get in because because t0hey have great leadership qualities but because they have good church-speak but get out into the real world on the ground where churches are messy and they have no clue how to lead. So they just go along and keep things peaceful and the church gradually declines and then people cry out for leadership, etc., etc. It&#8217;s a vicious circle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Youth Group T-Shirts are Stupid&quot; by Kaylee</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/22/youth-group-t-shirts-are-stupid/#comment-20947</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaylee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But i do thank you for the fact that you dont think any less of those who do! and if it is something God has layed on your heart, stick to it... he&#039;s never wrong!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But i do thank you for the fact that you dont think any less of those who do! and if it is something God has layed on your heart, stick to it&#8230; he&#8217;s never wrong!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Youth Group T-Shirts are Stupid&quot; by Kaylee</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/22/youth-group-t-shirts-are-stupid/#comment-20946</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaylee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey look i attend an amzing youth group and my youth pastor asked me to design us a shirt. honestly, i feel priveledged. its not about making us someone, its just an outreach to others. unsaved can see our shirts and the scripture, ask a question, adn the door is open to share God&#039;s word adn His love. I do not at all think there is a problem with these, but everyone has there own opinion :) Im glad u were honest, but ill have to say i dont quite agree :/ please dont take it offense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey look i attend an amzing youth group and my youth pastor asked me to design us a shirt. honestly, i feel priveledged. its not about making us someone, its just an outreach to others. unsaved can see our shirts and the scripture, ask a question, adn the door is open to share God&#8217;s word adn His love. I do not at all think there is a problem with these, but everyone has there own opinion <img src='http://mattcleaver.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Im glad u were honest, but ill have to say i dont quite agree :/ please dont take it offense!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Matt</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2012/01/26/reinventing-seminary-the-goal/#comment-20772</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re stealing my thunder! Yup, I think you are exactly on the right track. I&#039;ll detail more with the future posts.

One of my frustrations with seminary was the overlap between my undergrad and seminary classes. I know now everyone had Bible and Church history before coming to seminary. But for those of us who did, it would be nice to not have a whole bunch of hoops to jump through. Maybe some seminaries handle this better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re stealing my thunder! Yup, I think you are exactly on the right track. I&#8217;ll detail more with the future posts.</p>
<p>One of my frustrations with seminary was the overlap between my undergrad and seminary classes. I know now everyone had Bible and Church history before coming to seminary. But for those of us who did, it would be nice to not have a whole bunch of hoops to jump through. Maybe some seminaries handle this better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing Seminary: The Goal by Benjer McVeigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjer McVeigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On sustainability: one thing that I keep thinking about is, &quot;Isn&#039;t there a cheaper way to train a church leader?&quot; And I say that as someone who really loved my seminary experience and believe I got a great education for a decent price when compared to other Masters-level programs.

Looking back at my seminary experience (M.Div.), the best part of those years was that I was serving at a church at the same time as pursuing my degree. I would say that I have learned at least as much--if not more--about being a pastor by serving in a local church than I did in seminary. I don&#039;t think that getting rid of classes is the answer by any means. After all, I am a much better preacher and teacher because of my Hebrew and Greek classes, and there&#039;s no way I would have learned those skills on my own outside a classroom. However, I would say that a handful of classes were not helpful to me at all, and that 1/3 to 1/2 of them were useful, but didn&#039;t need to be taught in a seminary setting. (The remainder I would say were best done in a classroom, such as apologetics, languages, history, etc.)

If I had to venture a guess, I would say that the future of pastoral training lies in network-based (or denominational-based) non-accredited training programs. I think that while some seminaries will survive--and will do good work in training leaders--as it becomes more and more difficult to earn a living as a pastor in our culture, grass roots movements will find better, cheaper ways to train leaders, and graduating from an ATS-accredited seminary or theological school will become less important and less common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On sustainability: one thing that I keep thinking about is, &#8220;Isn&#8217;t there a cheaper way to train a church leader?&#8221; And I say that as someone who really loved my seminary experience and believe I got a great education for a decent price when compared to other Masters-level programs.</p>
<p>Looking back at my seminary experience (M.Div.), the best part of those years was that I was serving at a church at the same time as pursuing my degree. I would say that I have learned at least as much&#8211;if not more&#8211;about being a pastor by serving in a local church than I did in seminary. I don&#8217;t think that getting rid of classes is the answer by any means. After all, I am a much better preacher and teacher because of my Hebrew and Greek classes, and there&#8217;s no way I would have learned those skills on my own outside a classroom. However, I would say that a handful of classes were not helpful to me at all, and that 1/3 to 1/2 of them were useful, but didn&#8217;t need to be taught in a seminary setting. (The remainder I would say were best done in a classroom, such as apologetics, languages, history, etc.)</p>
<p>If I had to venture a guess, I would say that the future of pastoral training lies in network-based (or denominational-based) non-accredited training programs. I think that while some seminaries will survive&#8211;and will do good work in training leaders&#8211;as it becomes more and more difficult to earn a living as a pastor in our culture, grass roots movements will find better, cheaper ways to train leaders, and graduating from an ATS-accredited seminary or theological school will become less important and less common.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Now a Part-Time Youth Minister by Matt</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2011/11/17/im-now-a-part-time-youth-minister/#comment-20132</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Josh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Josh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Now a Part-Time Youth Minister by Josh Read</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2011/11/17/im-now-a-part-time-youth-minister/#comment-20045</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Matt, I&#039;m praying for you. This is a huge decision and I pray that the Lord rewards your faith and obedience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt, I&#8217;m praying for you. This is a huge decision and I pray that the Lord rewards your faith and obedience.</p>
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