MattCleaver.com
youth ministry, reimagined
  • Home
  • About
  • Contact Me
  • Best Youth Ministry Books
  • Youth Ministry Book Reviews
  • Youth Ministry Blogs

Archive for Quotes – Page 2

Douglas John Hall on the End of Christendom

By Matt · Comments (2)
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009

I just finished reading Douglas John Hall’s brief book The End of Christendom and the Future of Christianity for the class I am taking in June. It’s a quick read, and at the time it was written (1997) might have been a profound work. It’s a bit dated now but still contains a few gems:

If at the level of fundamental belief and lifestyle we disengage ourselves, as a Christian movement, from the dominant societies, classes, and institutions we have been for centuries trying to court, we may be able to serve those societies, classes, and institutions in ways far more faithful and more humanly needful than Christendom usually did. (51)

Comments (2)
Categories : Quotes
Tags : christendom, Douglas John Hall

Craig Van Gelder on the Church

By Matt · Comments (2)
Saturday, May 16th, 2009

I just started reading Craig Van Gelder’s The Essence of the Church: A Community Created by the Spirit, and I must say I’m really enjoying it so far. Unfortunately, I’m going to put it down for a few weeks as I try and get some reading done for a class coming up in June, but I hope to pick it up again as soon as possible. He really lines up with my view of the church, something I call a “robust ecclesiology” which sees the church as ontologically, at its essence, a Spirit-indwelt community of mission. We are not just a support group for individuals who happen to love Jesus. As Van Gelder says,

Understanding the church as being missionary by nature represents a more holistic way of thinking about mission. In this view, the Spirit-created church lives as the very body of Christ in the world. Its existence declares that the full power of God’s redemptive work is already active in the world through the Spirit. It lives as a demonstration that heaven has already begun for God’s people. This Spirit-led community possesses all the power of God’s presence, even while it awaits the final judgment of evil that will lead to the creation of the new heaven and new earth. (32)

Comments (2)
Categories : Quotes
Tags : Craig Van Gelder, mission

Roger Olson on Charles Finny

By Matt · Comments (3)
Saturday, May 9th, 2009

In case you didn’t know, Charles Finny had a profound influence on evangelicalism and American Christianity. It was Finney who popularized the “altar call,” a practice still used to this day. I would put him easily in the top-5, maybe in the top-3 most influential people in the history of American Christianity. In Mosaic of Christian Belief, Roger Olson has this to say about him:

In spite of his many great achievements, Finney’s expressed views on salvation were more consistent with semi-Pelagianism than with orthodox Christianity. He more than implied that gracious works of God, in and for individuals and groups of people, wait upon human initiative and that all people are capable by will power alone of repenting, exercising faith in Christ, and living virtually sinless, holy lives. Critics of Finney’s theology and revival methods are quite right to suggest that he became a major conduit of enlightenment rationalism, individualism and humanism into conservative evangelical Christianity. No doubt his motives were pure, but his theology was pernicious.(274)

Essentially, Olson is calling Finney a heretic.

Comments (3)
Categories : Quotes
Tags : Add new tag, Charles Finney, Roger Olson

Roger Olson on the Atonement

By Matt · Comments (6)
Saturday, April 25th, 2009

We are reading Roger Olson’s Mosaic of Christian Belief as the primary text in our Overview of Christian Teachings class. Olson is a respected evangelical scholar and church historian, and he’s not exactly what you would consider a left-winger. Since there has been quite a bit of atonement debate going on recently, being Easter season and all, a quote from this week’s reading on atonement struck me as timely:

Some Christian theologians do elevate one particular theory or model of Christ’s atoning work to the status of dogma and require belief in it of all who call themselves Christians. Some denominations of Christianity have made belief in one particular atonement theory a matter of status confessionis, required confession of belief. But only a few hard-core fundamentalists have insisted that all who affirm other theories of atonement cannot be Christians. (Many fundamentalist Protestants of the twentieth century included John Calvin’s and the Puritans’ “penal substitution theory” among the few “fundamentals of the faith.” Many conservative Protestant denominations require affirmation of that theory by candidates for ordination to ministry.) The big picture of Christian belief, however, includes as absolutely normative only belief that Christ’s life, death and resurrection are God’s unique, special, unsurpassable provision of salvation as reconciliation and transformation for humanity. Exactly how God reconciled the world to himself by means of Christ’s death on the cross is the subject of much speculation and theological reflection and is a reason for great diversity among Christians. (255)

Some of the people commenting on Tony’s post on the atonement could use a little of Olson’s historical perspective.

Comments (6)
Categories : Quotes
Tags : atonement
« Previous Page

Get Site Updates

Add to GoogleAdd to Google Reader

Click here to learn more about site updates

Favorite Posts

  • 10 Things Youth Ministry Needs Less
  • Neo-Youth Ministry Series
  • 13 Reasons Why Seminaries are Irrelevant
  • Issues in Youth Ministry
  • The Next 50 Years of Youth Ministry
  • The 3 Spheres of Youth Ministry
  • The Freedom of Failure
  • A Theology of Geography: Locality and Proximity
  • How I Built a Church Website for Free

Categories

  • Best Youth Ministry Books (6)
  • Blogging (42)
  • Blogroll (1)
  • Book Reviews (17)
  • Books (33)
  • Christianity (52)
  • Ecclesiology (54)
  • emerging church (14)
  • Links (27)
  • Ministry (4)
  • Neo-Youth Ministry (10)
  • News (25)
  • Personal (69)
  • Podcast (4)
  • Quotes (14)
  • Random (43)
  • Seminary (14)
  • Theology (51)
  • Uncategorized (50)
  • Websites (14)
  • Youth Ministry (148)

Archives

MattCleaver.com
Copyright © 2012 All Rights Reserved
Website by Cleaver Solutions