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	<title>Comments on: Everyone in Youth Ministry Agrees That&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Church Links &#124; AdamLehman.us</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/08/everyone-in-youth-ministry-agrees-that/#comment-10776</link>
		<dc:creator>Church Links &#124; AdamLehman.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matt Clever tells us what we already know, but don’t act on. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Youth Ministry: Agree to Disagree &#171; D64life&#8230;elevating, equipping &#38; re-engaging the family and church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Youth Ministry: Agree to Disagree &#171; D64life&#8230;elevating, equipping &#38; re-engaging the family and church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] though youth ministry has come a long way and there is a lot of good stuff that is pretty much standard fare, I think there are still a lot of unsettled issues in youth ministry. Among [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that most of what you&#039;ve written as bullet points is pretty standard fare for most youth ministry leaders who have spent time thinking/talking/reading/learning about youth ministry.  I&#039;ve been hearing and saying these things for at least a decade in the congregations I&#039;ve been part of.

However, no matter how much the paid leadership knows and believes these things, there are still many people in our congregations who aren&#039;t there yet.  It wasn&#039;t six months ago that I was chastised by a parent (a faithful, regular participant in the life of our congregation) about adding more programming so that her child would be grounded in faith.

I think you&#039;re right that the next question is how we put these things into practice ~ but we still have to keep saying these things, because as much as we&#039;re on board, many in our congregations aren&#039;t there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that most of what you&#8217;ve written as bullet points is pretty standard fare for most youth ministry leaders who have spent time thinking/talking/reading/learning about youth ministry.  I&#8217;ve been hearing and saying these things for at least a decade in the congregations I&#8217;ve been part of.</p>
<p>However, no matter how much the paid leadership knows and believes these things, there are still many people in our congregations who aren&#8217;t there yet.  It wasn&#8217;t six months ago that I was chastised by a parent (a faithful, regular participant in the life of our congregation) about adding more programming so that her child would be grounded in faith.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right that the next question is how we put these things into practice ~ but we still have to keep saying these things, because as much as we&#8217;re on board, many in our congregations aren&#8217;t there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/08/everyone-in-youth-ministry-agrees-that/#comment-10773</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to say more about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to say more about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Lehman</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/08/everyone-in-youth-ministry-agrees-that/#comment-10772</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making me dissatisfied again. Needed that..... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making me dissatisfied again. Needed that&#8230;.. <img src='http://mattcleaver.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you hear of anything, I&#039;d love to be kept in the loop! Sounds like a fun project to be a part of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you hear of anything, I&#8217;d love to be kept in the loop! Sounds like a fun project to be a part of.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/08/everyone-in-youth-ministry-agrees-that/#comment-10770</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s to come from the project.  I know that the project manager is working on a &quot;starter kit&quot; of sorts to be used in helping churches understand the basics of the assets and how to apply them to their context.  I think a presentation is also being put together to share at Search&#039;s Big Tent Conference in November.

My sense is that it would be more difficult to implement these changes in larger youth groups because numbers bolster the assumption that what they&#039;re doing is working.  I think it would be much easier to implement changes in smaller youth groups or maybe even smaller segments of larger groups as opposed to a complete overhaul of a large, &quot;successful&quot; program.  I work with a single-digit youth group, and I believe that our church would support most anything I did if it would help us reach more teens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s to come from the project.  I know that the project manager is working on a &#8220;starter kit&#8221; of sorts to be used in helping churches understand the basics of the assets and how to apply them to their context.  I think a presentation is also being put together to share at Search&#8217;s Big Tent Conference in November.</p>
<p>My sense is that it would be more difficult to implement these changes in larger youth groups because numbers bolster the assumption that what they&#8217;re doing is working.  I think it would be much easier to implement changes in smaller youth groups or maybe even smaller segments of larger groups as opposed to a complete overhaul of a large, &#8220;successful&#8221; program.  I work with a single-digit youth group, and I believe that our church would support most anything I did if it would help us reach more teens.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Search Institute stuff is always interesting. Was there (or is there going to be) anything published as a result of this project? I&#039;d be interested to find out more.

One of the problems is that our youth ministry structures are such sacred cows that we&#039;ve talked ourselves blue about how youth ministry needs to be different and then try to fit all of that into our old structures. It doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search Institute stuff is always interesting. Was there (or is there going to be) anything published as a result of this project? I&#8217;d be interested to find out more.</p>
<p>One of the problems is that our youth ministry structures are such sacred cows that we&#8217;ve talked ourselves blue about how youth ministry needs to be different and then try to fit all of that into our old structures. It doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://mattcleaver.com/2010/07/08/everyone-in-youth-ministry-agrees-that/#comment-10768</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these observations are by and large true, and I&#039;m like you.  I&#039;m waiting to see how our theories will become practice.  The closest thing I&#039;ve witnessed was a pilot project that took place last year when nine congregations from my denomination partnered with the Search Insititute to develop models of asset-based youth ministry based on Search&#039;s 40 Developmental Assets.  Each context was unique, but a lot of the things you mentioned above were emphasized as these churches began to care not just about the spiritual needs of the youth but also their physical, emotional, and social needs as well.  Adults in the church were empowered to be youth ministers without having to teach a Bible study, attend a lock-in, or chaperone a mission trip.  I think there are tons of possibilities and outcomes that could be derived from asset-based youth ministry, and I think it&#039;s a positive new approach to how we practice youth ministry in our congregations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these observations are by and large true, and I&#8217;m like you.  I&#8217;m waiting to see how our theories will become practice.  The closest thing I&#8217;ve witnessed was a pilot project that took place last year when nine congregations from my denomination partnered with the Search Insititute to develop models of asset-based youth ministry based on Search&#8217;s 40 Developmental Assets.  Each context was unique, but a lot of the things you mentioned above were emphasized as these churches began to care not just about the spiritual needs of the youth but also their physical, emotional, and social needs as well.  Adults in the church were empowered to be youth ministers without having to teach a Bible study, attend a lock-in, or chaperone a mission trip.  I think there are tons of possibilities and outcomes that could be derived from asset-based youth ministry, and I think it&#8217;s a positive new approach to how we practice youth ministry in our congregations.</p>
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