Comments on: A New Metaphor for Church http://mattcleaver.com/2009/04/15/a-new-metaphor-for-church/ youth ministry, reimagined Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:12:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Matt http://mattcleaver.com/2009/04/15/a-new-metaphor-for-church/#comment-8602 Matt Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:18:50 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=592#comment-8602 Hey Chase, thanks for dropping by. Check your Facebook. Hey Chase, thanks for dropping by. Check your Facebook.

]]> By: Matt http://mattcleaver.com/2009/04/15/a-new-metaphor-for-church/#comment-8601 Matt Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:17:30 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=592#comment-8601 Yeah, I didn't talk about the money aspect of sports teams, which does bring a certain dynamic into it. However, a lot of sports are done for free through the school, so that doesn't always come into play. I've had some conversations with friends about charging for things like Confirmation to combat this, but it always left a sour taste in our mouth. I think the real value of thinking in terms of <em>team</em> is that is pushes us to think towards <em>mission</em>. You can't be a team of contributors unless you are working towards something. Often, the team language isn't even an option because of the lack of mission. Yeah, I didn’t talk about the money aspect of sports teams, which does bring a certain dynamic into it. However, a lot of sports are done for free through the school, so that doesn’t always come into play. I’ve had some conversations with friends about charging for things like Confirmation to combat this, but it always left a sour taste in our mouth.

I think the real value of thinking in terms of team is that is pushes us to think towards mission. You can’t be a team of contributors unless you are working towards something. Often, the team language isn’t even an option because of the lack of mission.

]]> By: adam mclane http://mattcleaver.com/2009/04/15/a-new-metaphor-for-church/#comment-8600 adam mclane Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:19:07 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=592#comment-8600 Great thoughts. I think you're onto something that people can understand. I find it interesting that parents are totally willing to mess over a youth ministry for the sake of a soccer team... mostly because they paid $200 for the kid to be on the team. Weird how they don't make that same connection between what they invest in the church. Great thoughts. I think you’re onto something that people can understand. I find it interesting that parents are totally willing to mess over a youth ministry for the sake of a soccer team… mostly because they paid $200 for the kid to be on the team. Weird how they don’t make that same connection between what they invest in the church.

]]> By: Chase WIllsey http://mattcleaver.com/2009/04/15/a-new-metaphor-for-church/#comment-8599 Chase WIllsey Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:57:49 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=592#comment-8599 Hey Matt, good word buddy. There is a whole lot of truth to that! We should get together again and catch up. I want to hear how things are going for you and your church. God bless! Chase Hey Matt, good word buddy. There is a whole lot of truth to that! We should get together again and catch up. I want to hear how things are going for you and your church. God bless!

Chase

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