Comments on: The Bailout, Education, and Youth Ministry http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/ youth ministry, reimagined Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:12:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Danny http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/#comment-7049 Danny Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:15:29 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=302#comment-7049 This is difficult to cover in school because of all the standards that teachers already have to cover, although I do believe it something that teachers could spend briefly explaining in class. This is difficult to cover in school because of all the standards that teachers already have to cover, although I do believe it something that teachers could spend briefly explaining in class.

]]> By: Brit Windel http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/#comment-7048 Brit Windel Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:38:32 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=302#comment-7048 :-D come on matt, politics... you should remember from your SB background you leave that stuff at the door unless its pulpit time and you want to convince someone your candidate is better than theirs i think, honestly, that in the world of holistic ministry it something that should be taught on. our goal is not to indoctrinate or form the opinion for students but give them tools to shape and be opinionated with the best possible resources. a few weeks ago we did a great debate with adults and students (pissed off a lot of people but it went great) where we debated some of the issues going on. it was very interesting to see how students view and perceive politics...and like wise how adults do as well. students need some times like this when their thoughts are challenged...and not just thoughts on who Christ their King is... i don't believe it is our place to give them skewed facts like Fox...hehehe or CNN that would lean them in one particular area or another. i asked some students about the whole bail out and they all said give the money to the people....not a bad idea.... but wouldn't help the economy long term like this plan... could anyways...all that to say yes talk about it with them :-D come on matt, politics… you should remember from your SB background you leave that stuff at the door unless its pulpit time and you want to convince someone your candidate is better than theirs

i think, honestly, that in the world of holistic ministry it something that should be taught on. our goal is not to indoctrinate or form the opinion for students but give them tools to shape and be opinionated with the best possible resources.

a few weeks ago we did a great debate with adults and students (pissed off a lot of people but it went great) where we debated some of the issues going on. it was very interesting to see how students view and perceive politics…and like wise how adults do as well.

students need some times like this when their thoughts are challenged…and not just thoughts on who Christ their King is… i don’t believe it is our place to give them skewed facts like Fox…hehehe or CNN that would lean them in one particular area or another.

i asked some students about the whole bail out and they all said give the money to the people….not a bad idea…. but wouldn’t help the economy long term like this plan… could

anyways…all that to say yes talk about it with them

]]> By: Shane Vander Hart http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/#comment-7047 Shane Vander Hart Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:04:58 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=302#comment-7047 That's a tough question. I would say yes and no. Yes in that you can look at the moral implications of what led us to this crisis. The Bible has a lot to say on money. We can tackle the issue of creed. Regarding your students responsibility in voting - you can discuss what is a Christian's responsibility as a Citizen. I'm currently reading God & Government by Charles Colson and it has been very interesting and could give you some discussion material. With no - I don't think you want to get into civics, branches of government, etc. I don't see that as our role. We want to help student grow in Christ-likeness and with the limited time we have, I'm not sure that should be a priority. Also want to avoid any partisan rhetoric or endorsements as well. I have my personal opinion on such things - anyone who reads my blog can know what it is, but I never, ever bring it up at church. That’s a tough question. I would say yes and no. Yes in that you can look at the moral implications of what led us to this crisis. The Bible has a lot to say on money. We can tackle the issue of creed.

Regarding your students responsibility in voting – you can discuss what is a Christian’s responsibility as a Citizen. I’m currently reading God & Government by Charles Colson and it has been very interesting and could give you some discussion material.

With no – I don’t think you want to get into civics, branches of government, etc. I don’t see that as our role. We want to help student grow in Christ-likeness and with the limited time we have, I’m not sure that should be a priority.

Also want to avoid any partisan rhetoric or endorsements as well. I have my personal opinion on such things – anyone who reads my blog can know what it is, but I never, ever bring it up at church.

]]> By: The Bailout, Education, and Youth Ministry » JakeBouma.com http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/#comment-7046 The Bailout, Education, and Youth Ministry » JakeBouma.com Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:01:54 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=302#comment-7046 [...] would like to see all posts filed in the Digressions category, click here. Matt Cleaver ponders The Bailout, Education, and Youth Ministry. “What should youth ministry’s role be in situations like this? When significant things are [...] [...] would like to see all posts filed in the Digressions category, click here. Matt Cleaver ponders The Bailout, Education, and Youth Ministry. “What should youth ministry’s role be in situations like this? When significant things are [...]

]]> By: Adam Lehman http://mattcleaver.com/2008/09/26/the-bailout-education-and-youth-ministry/#comment-7045 Adam Lehman Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:59:46 +0000 http://mattcleaver.com/?p=302#comment-7045 Matt. I would say that as a program, this may fall outside of your "youth ministry" realm. But as people who are training a generation of Christians. It ought to be a part of what we're doing. I would suggest, after dismissing your next high school gathering, asking your senior (or any who can vote) to stay afterwards and simply start a discussion. Or i would organize an event where you and the students could discuss things. When i was a senior in high school i voted for George W Bush based on the idea that he would rid the world of abortion and turn the USA into a Christian nation (the republican party did an amazing job at telling me what i should think). I was incredibly uneducated about the election and I think it is a shame when christian students get roped in by one party because the party markets themselves well. We ought to be teaching students how to be critical and supportive of our government in informed ways. Matt. I would say that as a program, this may fall outside of your “youth ministry” realm. But as people who are training a generation of Christians. It ought to be a part of what we’re doing.

I would suggest, after dismissing your next high school gathering, asking your senior (or any who can vote) to stay afterwards and simply start a discussion. Or i would organize an event where you and the students could discuss things.

When i was a senior in high school i voted for George W Bush based on the idea that he would rid the world of abortion and turn the USA into a Christian nation (the republican party did an amazing job at telling me what i should think). I was incredibly uneducated about the election and I think it is a shame when christian students get roped in by one party because the party markets themselves well. We ought to be teaching students how to be critical and supportive of our government in informed ways.

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